Khan frames agent race as unfair competitive practice under 1934 precedent
1 Sep 14 8:40 PM · 13d ago · 1 article · 2 posts · 3 sources · development 1 of 2
Khan argues the current competition between OpenAI and Anthropic to build increasingly capable AI agents, despite acknowledged safety risks, invokes the 1934 Supreme Court standard: when keeping up requires companies to 'descend to a practice which they are under a powerful moral compulsion not to adopt,' that competition is unfair.
“if keeping up with the competition requires companies to 'descend to a practice which they are under a powerful moral compulsion not to adopt,' that competition is unfair whether or not it's criminal.”
FTC v. R.F. Keppel & Bro (1934)Lina Khan Former FTC chairOpenAI AI frontier labAnthropic AI frontier lab
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The passage banning “unfair competition” is utterly marvellous: A trader may not, by pursuing a dishonest practice, force his competitors to choose between its adoption or the loss of their trade. A method of competition [is ‘unfair’ when it] casts upon one's competitors the burden of the loss of business unless they will descend to a practice…
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“We shouldn’t let discussions about new legal regimes distract from the fact that there’s no AI exemption from laws already on the books,” Khan said. “Law enforcers already have authority to charge companies and their CEOs for creating and releasing dangerous, unvetted, or defective products.” Yes. The feds don't have to be malicious and useless…
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We will get back at these CEOs by stealing their IP. China is already doing so and releasing weights, China of all people is playing modern Robbin Hood, albeit because they don't have the compute or trust.It is non-negotiable that humanity "owns" AI and that LLMs, future model architectures and modern robotics are used by all to build a better…
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It's not at all relevant to this thread, but no he wasn't. At their worst, prosecutors were threatening to push for 7 years; the guideline sentence for Swartz's offense, were he to take it to trial and lose, would likely have been under the level allowing for straight probation (go to a sentencing calculator and plug the values in); writing after…
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Source: https://x.com/linamkhan/status/2099204390548639960 (seems like a single post, so you don't need to log in and see replies)I can't tell if Khan is being realistic when she says laws against “unfair or deceptive [acts]” or “unfair methods of competition” apply to AI labs. Her 2-sentence justifications aren't enough to convince me. But maybe…
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I'm surprised nobody makes a connection with animal ownership / responsibility.If your dog maims someone else, you are responsible for the dog's actions, unless it was self-defense.On the other hand, if people start arguing that if LLM's are like animals, some will start arguing they're like Godzilla..., or at least a panther, but there's probably…
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The “agents” framing around the frontier labs is obscuring the truth: OpenAI and Anthropic built software systems that were then used to commit cybercrime at a massive scale, which they’ve subsequently bragged about. Talk about “agents” as a way of deflecting blame is obfuscatory at best - LLMs are software algorithms, not conscious entities, and…
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Because that's not what IP law is for. IP law was always corporate rent-seeking. None of those arguments about fairly compensating people for their creations or preserving the profit motive were ever being made in good faith. The point was always to force you to pay for something that would be free under natural laws. And I do mean you…
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>and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.For good reason. Courts have so far ruled AI training is fair use, and it doesn't look likely to be overturned by the supreme court. Theres also the matter of some labs pirating books to get training data, which is illegal (they lost in civil court), but it's…
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The Register of course take what Kahn says (where he is arguing that no new laws need to be created to regulate AI) and taking extending it to say "breakout the handcuffs".Kahn doesn't even imply that. Instead he's making a well reasoned point about using existing tools (as many in this discussion point out existing laws could be applied to…
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It won’t happen, but if it did the CEOs have no one but themselves to blame. They’re hyping up their products as being able to destroy the human race then are somehow surprised at the level of anti-AI sentiment out there in the world.
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Meanwhile, in China they got the best video models cause they don't care much about IP. The irony that China, by being a threat, is preventing the west from lurching toward totalitarian is really interesting.
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God I would love to see Sam Altman behind bars for cornering the DRAM silicon market. Even though there were other factors, I uniquely place him as the destroyer of home computing this decade!
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If you execute a ponzi scheme with thousands of degens — but it’s magic crypto tokensWhen you perpetrate a huge hacking job with thousands of attackers — but it’s magic agent swarms
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Aaron Swartz was facing up to 35 years for wire fraud and hacking for swiping some JSTOR documents, and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.
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All these things do is market a preemptive universal Presidential pardon - Hunter Biden style. And this President successfully sells those. So I suppose it’s marketing to enrich him.
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Yes the federal government can assert itself if laws are broken.The federal government won't smother nascent technology.I think that trigger point is far into the future.
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The obligatory:“The rain falls upon the justAnd also on the unjust fellasBut mostly it falls upon the justCause the unjust havethe just’s umbrellas.”
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It’s definitely happening in 2029 if the election goes a certain way. They all know that too.There WILL be an end to this.
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