Commenters push back on the fast-follow thesis with competing technical arguments
1 Sep 22 11:20 AM · 1d ago · 1 article · 1 post · 4 comments · 2 sources · development 1 of 2
Multiple Hacker News commenters disputed Berryman's premise. Some argued OpenAI's focus on reasoning-based RL training makes Jev-style fast classifiers incompatible with their strategy; others contended that every major AI shop already has internal classifiers and the real question is interface design, not moat dynamics.
“OpenAI is all in training models with reasoning with RL, and Jev-like models are the total opposite. They are made to not reason at all to be fast.”
andy12_John Berryman Arcturus Labs analystTypeSafe Creator of Jev classifier modelOpenAI Potential fast-follower
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I find it unlikely. OpenAI is all in training models with reasoning with RL, and Jev-like models are the total opposite. They are made to not reason at all to be fast. If you want to add reasoning on top, you might as well use a conventional LLM because you lose the price and speed benefits when you output auto-regressive tokens. I don't think…
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This article is extraordinarily hard to read. It’s tummelvisioned on OpenAI and things like tool calling which are only relevant to the extent that llms have been tuned to make relative choices, but this applies to all LLMs. Also, some really outdated references. LLM written, perhaps?Also, moat discussion is the lowest form of discussion. I don’t…
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comments are pretty weird here, there's no real moat to what jev is doing, it is certain that frontier labs are going to release their own jev and there are even open source alternatives (although nowhere near as accurate as jev).so maybe typesafe's real plan is to front run and releasing their own new models for some time until they can get…
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I'm not exactly following through with the claim, can someone explain how the built-in classification would not necessitate more tokens used, or be much different from turning on reasoning? Not that I don't see the difference, I just doing see how OpenAI would do it well.
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If OpenAI releases something similar to what Jev does, then that would be like admitting defeat. Their whole spin is AGI and world ending danger. Why would somebody with an AGI at home make something like Jev which is intended to be a part of some SW the AGI is going to replace anyway.
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There is one benefit that Jev has, that it is not OpenAI and thus it's probably less likely to steal your own work.
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