Story surfaces publicly, draws HN debate
1 Oct 31 10:57 AM · 11d ago · 1 article · 2 posts · 5 comments · 3 sources · development 1 of 1
TorrentFreak's report on the deposition spread to Hacker News and the fediverse, prompting debate over corporate liability, evidence destruction, and double standards in piracy enforcement.
“[d]ue to all this litigation”
Stephen Roller, Former Meta researcher · hn ↗Stephen Roller Former Meta FAIR researcherMeta Defendant, AI developerVince Chhabria U.S. federal judgeSarah Silverman Plaintiff authorRightsholders/plaintiffs' counsel Plaintiffs in the consolidated lawsuits
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This is organized crime, because the organization knew (and depended on the fact) that he was doing this, and it is also the intentional destruction of evidence.The fact that he was seeding a torrent is the thing that least matters here. They weren't making billions from seeding a torrent, they were spending bandwidth to do it. The fact that they…
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Everyone is arguing about whether piracy is good or bad, but that’s not what this case is about. It’s about whether the rules apply equally. A student who torrents a textbook risks a lawsuit. Meta, reportedly, torrented hundreds of thousands of books, had an employee delete his copy “due to all this litigation,” and is now arguing over which…
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It’s interesting that it’s supposed to be very bad to destroy evidence, especially after litigation has started. But in the end, usually the consequences are better for the person destroying the evidence, than actually preserving itIf the evidence was very damning, and it’s not there anymore, the judge/jury can’t really properly make a…
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I don't know why, but piracy seems awful to me for things like books or music when it's one or a small group of people producing the media, but it doesn't seem too bad for films/series where they're often hard to get legally, and are created by large groups of people. It's not like any less human effort goes into them, it's just something I've…
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meta has issues with employees using its network to pirate things, or its just a good time to try to eat with the AI scraper assumption
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Even if they had bought all the books, wouldn’t people still be mad they trained an AI with it? I doubt it would quell the “It can emulate an Author’s style” complaints.
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