Hacker News users debate root causes and solutions
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Discussion surfaces disagreements about whether AI, cost of living, or broader economic factors drive layoffs. Commenters split on whether workers should relocate, whether job rebranding inflates AI figures, and whether the crisis reflects specific to tech workers or broader inequality.
“$180k/yr doesn't go very far in San Francisco specially if you want to have a family. Dual income becomes pretty much mandatory.”
lnkdinsuxs, Hacker News commenter · hn ↗Basem Istanbouli Former Google employee, laid-off workerOpenAI AI company driving wealth concentrationAnthropic AI company nearing IPO
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EDIT: Downvotes incoming so I am blocked out of responding to comments for 8h.San Francisco is one of the most expensive places on earth. $180k/yr doesn't go very far in San Francisco specially if you want to have a family. Dual income becomes pretty much mandatory and if one of those incomes are lost, things start to get tough.Pretty much…
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The people I know who work in these AI roles that demand exorbitant salaries are not what I expected. It seems as if they simply had the right network and benefitted from nepotism. The products from the AI companies like Anthropic and OpenAI are not impressive and it seems like anyone can replicate it for free in a few days. I am disappointed…
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I applied to Anthropic a few years ago but didn’t pass the bar on their coding test. I read recently that if I had been hired in that period, my equity would be worth over 40 million based on their current valuation (and i remained employed the entire time there)It’s hard to mentally reconcile that if I had performed better on a few coding tests a…
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And SF tech workers don't even have a hukou that gives them the right to go back to their village.China has a "return to village" program for people who didn't make it in the big city. Here's the propaganda version of that.[1] Return to the land. Go back to being a peasant. Survive on 0.3 hectare? That's a back yard, not a farm.[1]
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The dichotomy of groups who say AI is making us so efficient we don't need as many SDEs and and knowledge workers and we also need to import skilled workers and also if you don't do that then they'll just offshore those jobs so why are they onshoring them in the first place.It's just all so contradictory and dishonest. It's an important topic to…
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I'd say the solution would be to move out of the Bay Area and inland, where there were always fewer jobs but also fewer people to fill them. Wages are certainly lower there but so is the cost of living.But is the downturn due to A.I.? I doubt it. The job market was booming after COVID and companies were hiring like there was no tomorrow. Things…
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Unless you fit a certain very narrow demographic and career profile, SF is a shitty place to actually live. I understand that some people have an emotional or family attachment to it but honestly most of them would be way better off in the long run if they just moved. We can debate all sorts of hypothetical government policy changes that would…
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"A group of more than four dozen laid-off workers gathered at 11 a.m. on a Monday to hike Mount Tamalpais, a majestic peak overlooking the San Francisco Bay. They descended the mostly deserted trail in groups of about a dozen, led by Basem Istanbouli, a former Google employee sporting a bucket hat and a pair of toe shoes."I'd rather hike than…
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> Now he’s parsing job titles like “AI strategist” and “AI engineer,”I have seen things like this. They often just look like backend swe jobs though? Are people getting these kinds of titles without masters in ML? Or pivoting somehow?> Now, one of the most popular jobs in tech may be forward deployed engineers,This is true? Are people pivoting to…
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These layoffs are happening because the entire tech industry is sinking all of its free cash into AI capex. H1B abuse and offshoring have both existed for decades, and neither are the proximate cause for these layoffs. If you’re blaming immigrants for this, you are either doing so in bad faith, or you are embarrassingly gullible.
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Sure, but let’s not forget that ~90% of the Bay Area does not work in tech. They are all being left out of the AI boom, similar to how they were left out of every tech boom before it. Don’t see why we need to specifically weep for these ex-FAANG engineers because they couldn’t get into OpenAI or Anthropic.
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The picture reminds me to the painting Without Bread and Without Work[1]. Very good photographer.[1]:
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This is not the experience I have with the SF tech scene. I moved to Canada from SF to raise a kid and even now have a lot of startups offering jobs on a TN visa or similar. There are days when I feel like taking the offer as the Canadian tech scene and opportunities are non existent.
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> Demand for software engineers in the Bay Area has fallen 42% since 2022, according to Lightcast, a labor-market analytics firm. Jobs tied to AI-related IT and computer science, meanwhile, have jumped 37%.How much of this is just everything IT-related being rebranded as AI?
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