Hinton's warnings gain traction on Hacker News
2 Nov 4 5:23 AM · 4d ago · 2 articles · 9 posts · 41 comments · 5 sources · development 2 of 2
The Guardian article about Hinton's warnings reached 320 points and 316 comments on Hacker News, becoming a focal point for discussion about AI risks and corporate leadership accountability.
“it might be that we would have been better off never developing it”
Geoffrey Hinton, Neural network pioneer, Nobel laureate · hn ↗
Geoffrey Hinton Neural network pioneer, Nobel laureate
Sam Altman OpenAI CEO
Mark Zuckerberg Tech company leader
Elon Musk Tech company leader
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No niin. Tekoälyn kummisetä arvelee, että olisi ollut parempi olla ilman tekoälyä.
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> The issue would have been, for the AI bosses, that this takes time and doesn't create trillion dollar companies. It only creates companies that they'd actually have to run, long term, and that's boring.I feel like you’re not acknowledging the inevitability of the technology being developed further. You’re also ignoring competition and the basic…
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AI ‘godfather’ Geoffrey Hinton over de mannen achter de losgeslagen AI-bedrijven: “I think [Mark] Zuckerberg and [Elon] Musk and Sam Altman, they understand the risks, and they don’t give a shit. They’d rather have the money. That’s my belief.” Hij vervolgt: “We need something like the American FDA for drugs where the companies have to give very…
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It's possible to say exact the same words about anything and be correct from some perspective.
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>Had LLMs first been presented as a "better IntelliSense", where rather than auto-completing function names, your editor can now suggest implementations, very few people would have been upset.You make it sound like this was a feasible option. This technology would exist regardless of how any one company decides to frame it. If OpenAI decided to go…
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Geoffrey Hinton has his Oppenheimer moment: “I think [Mark] Zuckerberg and [Elon] Musk and Sam Altman, they understand the risks, and they don’t give a shit. They’d rather have the money. That’s my belief.” “We discovered with thalidomide [a drug developed in the 1950s that caused severe birth defects] that releasing and then suing them isn’t the…
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> Hinton, 78, said that within a decade and possibly sooner, humanity will know whether it can manage the technology’s risks and enable what he called “radical abundance” or whether “we fail to manage the risks and … have a huge gap between rich and poor, huge cultural problems, massive unemployment, just society being torn apart”.lifting people's…
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"I think [Mark] # Zuckerberg and [Elon] # Musk and Sam # Altman , they understand the risks, and they don’t give a shit. They’d rather have the money. That’s my belief." - Geoffrey Hinton, titled by @ TheGuardian as "godfather of # AI " https://www. theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/n ov/03/ai-godfather-geoffrey-hinton-better-off-without-ai # LLM
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I agree with your premise, but not your conclusion. The problem is not the scope or scale of things, but treating them in an absurdly stupid fashion. Why are power systems internet connected? It certainly enables some greater degree of power and flexibility, but it exposes them to potentially catastrophic outcomes in case of malfeasance. So what…
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If the people in charge of the AI companies understand the risk I don't know, but I think it's a good point that they mainly care about the money. These are also people who aren't accustom to cleaning up their own mess, so what do they care if something goes wrong.The carelessness is also clear in how AI is rolled out. It's being presented as a…
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The thing I keep thinking about with this sort of behavior is how Zoom became big in video conferencing. They had good features, yes, and COVID obviously gave every player in that space a big opportunity, but Zoom distinguished themselves in great part by doing every underhanded shady thing they could to make their app 'frictionless'…
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"he warned it could trigger a large-scale incident this year or next, such as a temporary blackout of financial or power systems."I know this sounds unusual, but I do think this wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. Sure, it would cause a bit of chaos, but it might also make us think twice about continuing down our current path of…
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My main fear is that the integrity of everything will be compromised, but everyone will keep acting as if it's not. I feel like it's already somewhat the case but I'm worried about it getting worse.My prediction is that some people will be able to use ASI to create essentially infinite money inside their bank accounts (through hacking); the prices…
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AI has an extremely high capital barrier to research and development. Getting that initial capital required promises of a world-changing technology. A few companies with lots of investment were able to develop the technology and roll their own models. The business case for this R&D was that providing the models to paying users would amortize the…
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To be honest, I think it depends on the environment. In the past, if you didn't come out of a good university, your access to knowledge was limited. But these days, in terms of access to knowledge, I think things have clearly improved, whether or not AI is illegally sharing knowledge.Looking back now, was it really happier before AI existed? I'm…
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The AI formula is out of the bag. The Manhattan Project is over, trinity has happened.If it weren’t OAI and Anthropic, it would be others.If it weren’t US companies, it would be others.It is far too useful now to stop large scale deployment, it isn’t a matter of specific people or countries not being cautious or prudent enough. The entirety of the…
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There are a huge number of people involved in AI outside of the major AI companies both in smaller AI companies and lots of independent developers. They aren't having much success bringing AI to the masses and this is because they don't care enough about money and they aren't selling their ideas aggressively enough. There is this odd tendency to…
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> [...] as he warned it could trigger a large-scale incident this year or next, such as a temporary blackout of financial or power systems.I don't buy this. There isn't some kind of voodoo "rogue AI(s)" out there which could randomly decide to take over their vendor stack or brute force their way coming into possession of the most critical…
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I enthusiastically agree. I've been on this ride since GPT 2 and 3, I did start out looking at the technology in a neutral or positive light. I did not think the stewards of this technology would be so irresponsible, its consequences would rival the Stalinist purges.No matter what practical benefits this technology might bring, if this runaway…
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> Had LLMs first been presented as a "better IntelliSense"... very few people would have been upset.Presenting AI as something it isn't doesn't change the reality which is like the Wait But Why thing https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revol...That was written in 2015 before LLMs were much of a thing and has been fairly spot on…
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We are starting to get a taste. Credit Mutuel Arkea just admitted having been hacked. Over 100 millions gone.Blockchain despite all its flaws, is the canary in the coal mine. They have been dealing with an increasing amount of cyberattacks. Because it all happens publicly in the blockchain, there is no way to hide it.However major bank gets hacked…
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Don't ignore the very real human cost this would bring. Every day the power is out, more vulnerable people would be harmed(including death) directly from not having electricity for essentials or from systemic failures like in food distribution and storage. Financial systems being down could also have extreme impacts on some people, but maybe…
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My life was not better without AI. It's my accessibility tool. Speech recognition is far better than anything Dragon produced (I use Aqua). And I can now write code again. It's been 30 years since I've been able to do anything significant without pain. It is incredibly liberating to be able to finally write what's in my head and make the code…
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> temporary blackout of financial or power systemsI'm reading this in the context of the article currently at the top:AI is forcing us to pay off 40 years of technical debthttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50364336Is it bad we're finding all the bugs now? Or is it good that we're finally being forced to make our critical systems actually robust?
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