Lobsters users observe widening philosophical schism between tech communities
6 Sep 17 4:22 PM · 9d ago · 13 comments · 2 sources · development 6 of 7
Experienced developers note that Lobsters has developed growing anti-AI consensus while Hacker News has moved in the opposite direction toward AI enthusiasm, reflecting different community values about technology's direction.
“I'm (pleasantly) surprised by the evolution of anti-AI feeling on lobste.rs. There seems to be more and more a general consensus about the whole AI bubble on this place, populated by people usually very experienced with computers. On the other hand, Hacker News seems to have taken the exact opposite direction to the point it became nearly unwatchable if you simply don't want to hear about vibecoding practices and release of new "frontier" models.”
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One being a community where anything unrelated to tech is off topic, and the other being the bulletin board of a major venture capital firm where their own startups are given privileged real estate, definitely leads to pretty different selective pressures. At this point I don't even check HN - if it's interesting it will make its way here and the…
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This doesn't seem like a well-thought-out post. I mean, I probably could have told you that from the fact that it's either pro-AI or anti-AI (in this case the latter), but this is a particularly poorly thought out post. Others here have pointed out the water-wasting red herring, but there are several other pieces of nonsense here — the general…
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I’m (pleasantly) surprised by the evolution of anti-AI feeling on lobste.rs. There seems to be more and more a general consensus about the whole AI bubble on this place, populated by people usually very experienced with computers. On the other hand, Hacker News seems to have taken the exact opposite direction to the point it became nearly…
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I agree that everyone's lost their minds, but so has this guy.LLMs are actually producing a lot of pretty good stuff, can debug things that would have taken an entire team a week, and the people running AI companies are also generally like the most boring supervillains imaginable. All true.It is also completely screwing up the global economy, and…
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I always thought “you’ll get left behind if you don’t get into AI” was ridiculous, but now the communities I associate with have gone all-in on LLMs and I don’t want to follow them there, so it feels kind of true. This week I’ve been at OSFC which I had thought of as having a certain hacker culture: rebelling against the establishment of big tech…
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I’ve had a pet theory for a long time that society loses it’s collective mind every 10ish years or so, usually starting with a good reason, but the outcome is mass stupidity followed by mass forgetting leading to a new cycle. War on terror, GFC, crypto, covid, now AI. Although the cycle does seem to be shortening.Also we’re just so damn stupid to…
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Whenever I find myself unavoidably in a conversation with someone who is talking about AI nonstop, I like to continually ask them: "to what end?" I discovered the potential of this strategy when I was at a party chatting with some DeepMind engineer. He was going on and on about how he would make agents to run all aspects of a company (what the…
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I feel this post. I am tired of "directing" agents when in reality it feels more like trying to herd a group of toddlers.Sure they can mostly write better code than a toddler but this constant nudging and reminding and reiterating and stopping them from using the token budget of the whole company for a one off script. It gets tiring and I feel…
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You know how Alan Kay is always saying that computing, as a field, is a pop culture? HackerNews is US Weekly for the tech crowd. Whatever is the latest fashion, it will be hashed out there endlessly. It is also, to my mind, much more concerned with moneymaking, companies, and profits than lobsters.
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> human resources are still a zero-sum game, and every individual feeling super busy in their agentic silo doing a thousand things at once does not, in the end, help solve the kinds of projects that require cross-functional collaboration and team work.This rings true.
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> On the other hand, Hacker News seems to have taken the exact opposite direction We might be seeing an example of [schismogenesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schismogenesis#In_anthropology:~:text=In%20The%20Dawn%20of%20Everything%20(2021)), a term I first learned from [The Dawn of…
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The "existential" threat is already here, it is already underway. A whole industry has arrogated for itself the right to forever limit the acquisition, practice, and proliferation of deep literacy -- which is already the single most consequential mind-augmenting technology ever devised. That is has happened at all, let alone so easily, is a moral…
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Replying to this so I can easily find it later~
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