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Microsoft downplays director's 'largest theft of labor' admission in NYT suitEFF argues the scraping is exactly what copyright law intends
3 Sep 18 · 8d ago · 18 articles · 58 posts · 54 comments · 6 sources · development 3 of 5
Commentary on the filings noted the Electronic Frontier Foundation had filed an amicus brief in the case arguing that using works to train models serves copyright's constitutional purpose of promoting progress, cutting against the 'theft' framing.
“This case is about, as Microsoft's Director of Applied Science put it, an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions; perhaps the largest theft of labor in human history.”
NYT court filing (quoting Brent Hecht), Plaintiff's legal filing · hn ↗Brent Hecht Microsoft Director of Applied Science
Satya Nadella Microsoft CEONick Turley OpenAI Head of ChatGPT
Greg Brockman OpenAI President/cofounderJordan Usdan GM, Data Strategy and Ops, Microsoft AI
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Reported in the same hours no headline names this development itself — these 7 claims were published in its stretch
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first by HN Best, 8d ago · also Engadget, Tom's Hardware, The Times, TechSpot, New York Times, HN Frontpage +3
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- Microsoft executive called OpenAI's web scraping the 'largest theft of labor in human history' Engadget · 8d ago
- Microsoft director called AI scraping ‘the largest theft of labor in human history,’ while OpenAI head brands ChatGPT an ‘existential threat’ to publishers — revelations come from legal briefs filed in NYT lawsuit Mastodon · 8d ago
- AI training ‘largest theft of labour in history’, says Microsoft memo The Times · 7d ago
- Microsoft exec says AI training might be the "largest labor theft in human history" TechSpot · 7d ago
- Microsoft and OpenAI Workers Worry About ‘Largest Theft of Labor’ in History New York Times · 7d ago
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5 outlets New docs in AI copyright suit reveal startling admission by Microsoft exec over ‘astonishing theft’
first by Mercury News, 7d ago · also Chicago Tribune, Denver Post, Baltimore Sun, Orlando Sentinel
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first by Anadolu Agency, 8d ago · also NiemanLab
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first by The Times of India, 8d ago · also The Hindu
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- New York Times alleges Microsoft, OpenAI knew using news content was theft The Hindu · 8d ago
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first by The Verge, 7d ago
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first by CNET, 7d ago
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So, OpenAI admits two things in disclosures presented to the court : That their products are utterly dependent on work ingested without compensation. That their derived product is directly substituting for this work, removing the economic incentive to perform that work in the first place. Meanwhile, the EFF filed an amicus brief in the case…
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techcrunch.com/2026/09/17/m... So, Microsoft, you're going to remove the stolen data from Copilot and by admission ChatGPT, right? Oh haha of course not. Big corp can steal whatever they want and call it a product. Fuck you
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Source:https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.61...p. 1"This case is about, as Microsoft's Director of Applied Science put it, an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions; SF1437, perhaps the largest theft of labor in human history. SF1652"p.11"As Microsoft recognized: millions of people around the world will soon consider…
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That’s because they haven’t accurately framed what exactly “training” is. The current interpretation is woefully inadequate, and they have a vested interest in obscuring what’s actually happening.
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"Executives working on AI at Microsoft and OpenAI admitted what its critics have been saying all along: Large language models are predatory pieces of technology that have been built on what a Microsoft executive called “an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions,” and the “largest theft of labor in human history.” An internal Microsoft…
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"Microsoft recorded 83–93% drops in click-through for some news plaintiffs & 51–94% for others. Suddenly, it becomes easier to see how declining news revenue could rob chatbots of t abundant streams of reliable information that makes them such groundbreaking tools.”
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We know what is going inside black holes in other galaxies, we know the details of Israel nuclear program..., the Windows source code got leaked, we got the NSA tools and full details and locations of the Echelon architecture... Phds in Maths warns us daily about the terrible secrets of the evil AI inside their labs. How, their numeric matrices…
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Absolutely not. It's ludicrous and frankly quite offensive to compare copyright infringement to things like slave labour, forced labour, penal labour, serfdom, etc.
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Is the party ending or are they just admitting it's bad and will carry on as usual. And are governments who were and are all too happy to try to hop on the bandwagon (*cough* Carney *cough*) going to understand that we need to put this genie back in the bottle!? "Executives working on AI at Microsoft and OpenAI admitted what its critics have been…
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A little more detail here "... Brent Hecht repeatedly warned in documents that scraping news for AI training was “an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions,” calling it perhaps the “largest theft of labor in human history,” #WhatNext #ArtificialIntelligence
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Musicians and writers build new works on top off millennia of literary and musical history, then copyright their works and sell it back to us. Is this so bad? If Taylor Swift, consciously or subconsciously, gets an harmonic idea from a 1970's song and a fragment of a melody from some 1990's song... is that theft?I'm ambivalent about AI and, like…
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As opposed to whatever they get from LinkedIn. To be fair, users have been giving it away to them.
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Executives working on # AI at # Microsoft and # OpenAI admitted in court that # LLMs are predatory data hijackers built upon “an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions,” and the “largest theft of labor in human history.” An internal Microsoft document said generative AI products have created a “doom loop” that is killing “the entire web.”…
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#Colorado #Democrats #LaborTheft #AI Democrats being advised to go soft on AI need to know that constituents think theft is wrong. Sen. Bennet: (202) 224-5852 Sen. Hickenlooper: (202) 224-5941
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> It's the robbery of all of our culture to sell it back to us at a mark-up.Except, of course, no one has actually been robbed, the culture has not been stolen - it's still there - nor are the people involved selling it back in any form. This rhetoric sounds impressive, but really looks more like "piracy is theft" line from early 2000s, similarly…
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"Recently unsealed court documents in the New York Times’ case against OpenAI and Microsoft are pretty damning. The companies’ own documentation warned that it was starting a “doom loop” that would damage the web, characterized its scraping of data to train its models as the “largest theft of labor in human history,” and that it made a “complete…
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Ungeschwärzte Akten im NYT-Verfahren: Ein Microsoft-Manager nannte das KI-Training intern „den größten Diebstahl von Arbeit in der Menschheitsgeschichte". techcrunch.com/2026/09/17/m... 1/2
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I'm not sure how to be upset over this. For decades copyright has been extended and extended. Meanwhile, the ease and speed of spreading published works across the globe have increased massively. Don't forget that when copyright was first created, it could take multiple years for first editions to make it across the globe. In that environment…
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# Microsoft # Ai # Openai # copyright # suit https://www. washingtonpost.com/business/20 26/09/17/microsoft-exec-called-ai-largest-theft-labor-history-court-records-show/
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This is just one of many examples as to why we need to start holding executives and corporations more seriously accountable.
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In case of programming.How much do the current LLMs invent solutions for user tasks, how much they just copy and adopt existing open-source solutions from from Github and other code repositories?This not a problem for open-source code under permissive software license, but works derived from open-source code with copyleft software license should…
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Can't say these tech bros are not aware of what they are doing: "Over at OpenAI, ChatGPT head Nick Turley wrote in an internal message that publishers would face an “existential threat” from commercial products trained on news content that can be used to substitute news providers. One Microsoft document even described a “doom loop,” news orgs…
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*Jen* isn't. *generative A.i. and LLMs* have already stolen an incredible amount of human labor. This has been pretty obvious for some time now but here's an article from just yesterday where MicroSoft admitted it:
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“Information wants to be free“.It’s not “theft of labor”; the work was already done. If anything it is theft of “intellectual property” (aka “copyright infringement”), if you believe that is a thing, but not of the “labor” that went into it.My personal take: anyone producing content, everyone’s creativity, is fed by something that others did…
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