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Microsoft downplays director's 'largest theft of labor' admission in NYT suitMother Jones frames the filings as vindication of its own suit
4 Sep 19 3:00 AM · 7d ago · 9 articles · 33 posts · 10 comments · 6 sources · development 4 of 5
Mother Jones, which separately sued OpenAI, publicized the unsealed admissions and referenced Trump administration involvement in the broader litigation as it promoted its case against the company.
“We've faced down dark-money billionaires and shadowy charities, the Reagan administration's IRS, and Trump's Pentagon. So we're fighting this giant, too.”
Mother JonesBrent Hecht Microsoft Director of Applied Science
Satya Nadella Microsoft CEONick Turley OpenAI Head of ChatGPT
Greg Brockman OpenAI President/cofounderJordan Usdan GM, Data Strategy and Ops, Microsoft AI
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Reported in the same hours no headline names this development itself — these 3 claims were published in its stretch
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first by Washington Post, 6d ago · also New York Post, NY Post, HN Best, HN Frontpage, Ghacks
3 more headlines
- Microsoft, OpenAI workers privately worried their work is ‘largest theft of labor in human history’ New York Post · 6d ago
- Microsoft director: AI scraping 'the largest theft of labor in human history' HN Best · 6d ago
- Court Filing Shows Microsoft Exec Called AI Training the "Largest Labor Theft in Human History" Ghacks · 6d ago
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2 outlets ‘Largest theft of labour’: What new NYT filings reveal about its case against OpenAI, Microsoft
first by The Indian Express, 6d ago · also Indian Express
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first by Thurrott, 6d ago
What people said 24 voices · best of 38 · verbatim
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Just as not all communities are rolling over for data centers, not all newsrooms are sitting back and letting AI steal our content. Some of us are fighting back.
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1789684664 | Docs in AI copyright suit reveal startling admission by Microsoft exec | https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2026/09/17/new-docs-in-a-i-c... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49747643 | 0 comments1789690028 | Microsoft exec called AI scraping 'the largest theft of labor in human |…
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TL;DR: Unsealed court documents reveal that OpenAI and Microsoft recognized their actions could lead to a 'doom loop' detrimental to the web, labeling their data scraping as the 'largest theft of labor in human history.' The revelations raise critical questions about the ethical implications of AI development. https://www…
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Patents were always classist hurdle to innovation, presenting consolidation as growth. We have gotten to the point we can measure most of the contribution and where it enters the market, the state should take half the contribution to the tax base and send it to the inventor; forcing businesses to compete by producing more with less rather than…
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We’ve faced down dark-money billionaires and shadowy charities, the Reagan administration’s IRS, and Trump’s Pentagon. So we’re fighting this giant, too.
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Many people's moral systems (and our legal system) are typically deontological. That is to say, the consequence of an action (or scale) aren't relevant to whether it's okay or not, so long as the action doesn't break any particular moral rule.There's no rule against learning from books in general. (Maybe only for some particular books.) There's no…
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RE: https:// twit.social/@thurrott/11729890 2609294487 “This case is about, as Microsoft’s Director of Applied Science put it, ‘an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions’ [and] perhaps the ‘largest theft of labor in human history’,” the filing opens. “[OpenAI and Microsoft] repeatedly copied millions of [The New York Times’] copyrighted…
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It's a harness, which means it doesn't have one model, it can have any model behind the scenes. Although it's also ambiguous because it's reused in many different ways so that's not always the case.
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With the possible exception of organized slavery, yes it is. This is the same group of people who viciously and abusively defended “intellectual property” for decades, and now want to pretend it doesn’t exist to train their AI models.
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I wrote something original in a language learning grammar online. I coined a term to describe something about how a certain language with negative language functions.I tried talking to an LLM about it and sure and enough, it had scraped it and learned to use that terminology and explanation that I made up. I asked the LLM, "Where did that…
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"Executives working on AI at Microsoft and OpenAI admitted what its critics have been saying all along: Large language models are predatory pieces of technology that have been built on what a Microsoft executive called “an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions,” and the “largest theft of labor in human history.” https://www…
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It's hilarious to see companies that missed the AI bus suddenly gaining a sense of morality when it comes to business practices. I don't trust what any of these snakes have to say
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I really don’t understand why anyone would think they are entitled to any part of a derivative of a published piece. Why publish if not to help advance humanity, just like all who came before you and contributed to your success/ability? This is quite literally the bedrock of the progress of human civilization. As long as they aren’t straight up…
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Court documents show considerable concern within Microsoft and its partner OpenAI over the use of millions of news articles to develop A.I. systems. Microsoft employees debated whether what OpenAI was doing represented the “largest theft of labor in human history.” https://www. nytimes.com/2026/09/17/technol…
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Only to be topped by the massive amount of IP that Copilot is possibly secretly harvesting at present. We already believe OpenAI/Anthropic are doing it, what’s to stop Microsoft from attempting to improve their competitive advantage by surreptitiously using their role as a MiTM between end user Corporations and Model servers.
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At least no one will be able to make the "fair use" argument with a straight face anymore
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"Oh no did that 'Allow us to train on your org's data' toggle get turned on after the last update? We're so sorry. No we won;t delete the data, the toggle was -ON- what part of that don't you get??
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"Millions of people around the world will soon consider large models ‘hoovering up’ all their work to be an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions,” said one internal Microsoft document from 2023" https://www. nytimes.com/2026/09/17/technol ogy/microsoft-openai-publishing-industry.html
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I think the core question is what derived work is. I think derivative work should not be forbidden, and an LLM can be that, but it can also be just a copy. So, in essence, it is just a medium, like a sheet of paper.
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Microsoft and OpenAI documents unsealed in the NYT case call scraping the web “the largest theft of labor in human history”. Sounds about right to me. https://www. theverge.com/ai-artificial-int elligence/997633/openai-microsoft-chatgpt-ai-new-york-times-doom-loop-theft-google-zero
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if he “had been made aware that OpenAI has scraped and trained on information that was behind a paywall,” the company would have required OpenAI “to retrain its models.”... yeah, sure.
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The AI companies have a lot of money and time. Newsrooms don’t. But we are battling for our lives, and for the truth that you need to know. This is all of our fight.
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Because people want to discover if a law is principled, and "certain scale" is not a principle, is just an arbitrary utilitarian distinction.
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https://www. europesays.com/us/1071660/ OpenAI and Microsoft knew they were starting a ‘doom loop’ for the web # ai # Business # Google # Law # Microsoft # OpenAI # Policy # Tech # UnitedStates # UnitedStates # US
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