Hacker News users contest OpenAI's framing
2 Oct 30 7:33 PM · 12d ago · 1 article · 3 posts · 8 comments · 3 sources · development 2 of 2
The post gained traction on Hacker News with commenters challenging OpenAI's argument, raising concerns about scale, memorization, and the distinction between using fair use and building business models around its automation.
“Does building a business around the automation of fair use constitute fair use? I would say no.”
erikschosterOpenAI AI company defending fair useThe New York Times Plaintiff in copyright lawsuit
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3 outlets Fair use benefits everyone
first by OpenAI, 12d ago · also HN Frontpage, OpenAI News
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# openai v # nyt […] “The New York Times’ lawsuit, meanwhile, asks everyone to ignore a half century of legal history and progress, and toss aside the longstanding principle of fair use in their own narrow pursuit of an undeserved payday.” In other words, we should be allowed to learn from copyrighted articles and books without getting permission…
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Fruitfulness of discussion might be aided by bearing in mind that US and European copyright law traditionally come from very different perspectives. Basically, societal utilitarianism vs work-is-an-inalienable-part-of-the-artist author's natural rights. "Copyright should last 5 years because starving keeps artists productive. And copyright owners…
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Fair use benefits everyone - Open AI https:// openai.com/index/fair-use-bene fits-everyone/ # AI # FairUse # copyright
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From that article:> The New York Times’ lawsuit, meanwhile, asks everyone to ignore a half century of legal history and progress, and toss aside the longstanding principle of fair use in their own narrow pursuit of an undeserved payday.The New York Times lawsuit isn't purely about training on content - it's about memorization. They included…
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Fair use benefits everyone - Open AI openai.com/index/fair-use… #AI #FairUse #copyright
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This is a good sentiment but wrong idea. The natural state of the world is everyone copies everything. This is hugely beneficial once something is discovered/created. Copyright harms everyone after the fact because of this. Before the fact, credibly limiting copying (i.e. copyrights/patents) may increase discovery/creation. That makes the correct…
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This reminds me of a billboard I saw about 15 years ago when the state of Delaware was considering changing its laws to permit new casinos in addition to the three that had been grandfathered in when the restrictions went into place.Delaware Park, one of those three casinos, put up a billboard opposing the bill, and it said, "No more casinos!…
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The irony of Sam Altman's company pretending to care about what's "fair" is so very rich.He literally made billions exploiting the intellectual work of millions of his fellow humans, yet has the audacity to whine about how the system isn't fair.
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OK. Obviously the use-case has changed.Consider a random example of fair use: print an excerpt of this three panel comic you would like to discuss.Does building a business around the automation of fair use constitute fair use? I would say no.
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Generational level of hypocrisy from OpenAI. What a nerve putting "authors" in the list first. Fair Use benefits OpenAI and the labs much more than anyone else.Just be honest and don't try to blend it into "Everyone".
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I agree on this point!And also, training an open weights AI on the outputs of an AI trained using "fair use", is itself "fair use" that benefits everyone.
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Translation from corporate speak: when we steal from you that's good; when you steal from us that's bad
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