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ScienceQuiet 11d · day 14

Venus-vs-Mercury heat explainer becomes a viral climate-change argument on Bluesky

A physics fact about Venus's CO2 atmosphere gets recast as a rebuttal to climate skeptics, drawing heavy pushback and debate online.

What to know

  • A Live Science explainer confirms Venus (900°F) is hotter than Mercury (800°F peak) despite being ~31 million miles farther from the sun, due to its dense CO2 atmosphere trapping heat while Mercury's lack of atmosphere lets heat escape.
  • A Bluesky post making this same comparison to argue about man-made CO2 emissions drew over 3,000 likes and 90+ comments, becoming a proxy debate about climate change acceptance.
  • The comment thread split between people reinforcing the greenhouse-effect science, people blaming political/economic incentives for climate denial, and side arguments over what solutions (reforestation, tech, degrowth) are appropriate.

The dispute Whether climate change denial stems from ignorance/education gaps or from deliberate, profit-driven propaganda, and correspondingly whether the fix is tech-driven adaptation or systemic/economic change. · positions read across 99 posts and comments

most voices

Climate-science denial is willful, driven by financial or political incentive rather than genuine confusion.

  • “everyone understands except for those who are incentivized not to.”

    austinmusicscene.bsky.social · Bluesky ↗
many voices

The greenhouse mechanism itself needs defending point-by-point against objections like rotation or 'planets are too different to compare'.

  • “Rotation affects day/night cycles, not the greenhouse mechanism. Venus is hot because its dense CO2 atmosphere traps infrared heat.”

    altnoaa.bsky.social · Bluesky ↗
some voices

The debate should move to solutions — reforestation, renewables, or tech/fusion — rather than reproving the science.

  • “So we have controlled the ozone challenge, now we need to reverse the CO2 issue. The greatest natural recyclers of this problem is trees and plants.”

    realitycheck01.bsky.social · Bluesky ↗

altnoaa.bsky.social Bluesky posterStephen Kane Astrophysicist, UC Riverside

Venus-vs-Mercury heat explainer becomes a viral climate-change argument on Bluesky
Live Science

How it unfolded 4 developments, newest first · click a bar or a number to jump articlespostscomments

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  1. 4

    Live Science publishes expert explainer on Venus's extreme heat

    Live Science's article quotes planetary scientist Stephen Kane explaining that Venus's dense, nearly pure-CO2 atmosphere traps heat uniformly, while Mercury's lack of atmosphere lets it swing from extreme daytime heat to extreme nighttime cold.

    “Distance tells us how much sunlight arrives at a planet, but it does not tell us how much is reflected … absorbed, how efficiently heat escapes, or how effectively the atmosphere transports heat around the planet.”
    — Stephen Kane
    • ScienceDesk@flipboard.social

      If Mercury is closer to the sun than Venus, shouldn’t it be the hotter of the two? Not according to Stephen Kane, an astrophysicist at the University of California, Riverside. "Distance tells us how much sunlight arrives at a planet, but it does not tell us how much is reflected … absorbed, how efficiently heat escapes, or how effectively the…

      ScienceDesk@flipboard.socialMastodon10d ago1▲view on Mastodon ↗
    1 more of the top 2 · 2 posts in this stretch
    • us@pubeurope.com

      https://www. europesays.com/us/1059329/ Why is Venus hotter than Mercury, when Mercury is closer to the sun? # Science # UnitedStates # UnitedStates # US

      us@pubeurope.comMastodon11d agoview on Mastodon ↗
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  2. 3

    Commenters shift to arguing over climate solutions and blame

    Parts of the thread move from the science to proposed remedies (reforestation, renewables, carbon capture, fusion) and disputes over whether capitalism or policy failure is the root cause.

    “Let's listen to science and trust science when it's convenient (rockets, cell phones, internet, vehicles, medicine) but just not when it will interrupt the use of our rockets, cell phones, internet, vehicles, medicine. Capitalism truly is the root of the problem.”
    — dadbeastlarge.bsky.social
    • altnoaa.bsky.social

      Rotation affects day/night cycles, not the greenhouse mechanism. Venus is hot because its dense CO2 atmosphere traps infrared heat. Rotation is a factor, but it doesn’t override thermodynamics. Saying 'it’s rotation' ignores basic physics. You learned from a meteorologist today. You're welcome.

      altnoaa.bsky.socialBluesky13d ago25▲view on Bluesky ↗
    2 more of the top 3 · 92 posts in this stretch
    • "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

      sremmerson.bsky.socialBluesky13d ago24▲view on Bluesky ↗
    • So we have controlled the ozone challenge, now we need to reverse the CO2 issue. The greatest natural recyclers of this problem is trees and plants. Deforestation needs to be converted to reforestation …

      realitycheck01.bsky.socialBluesky13d ago19▲view on Bluesky ↗
    all of them →
  3. 2

    Bluesky users debate the analogy, greenhouse mechanism and climate denial

    The post draws over 90 comments, with many defending and elaborating the greenhouse-effect explanation against objections (e.g., rotation, atmospheric density) and others turning the discussion toward why people reject climate science.

    “Rotation affects day/night cycles, not the greenhouse mechanism. Venus is hot because its dense CO2 atmosphere traps infrared heat.”
    — altnoaa.bsky.social
    • altnoaa.bsky.social

      Congrats, you listed variables that don’t contradict the point. Venus is hot because its dense CO2 atmosphere traps infrared heat. Pressure and sunlight matter, but without the greenhouse effect Venus wouldn’t be the hottest planet. Adding CO2 increases heat retention — that's the ENTIRE mechanism!

      altnoaa.bsky.socialBluesky13d ago12▲view on Bluesky ↗
    2 more of the top 3 · 4 posts in this stretch
    • there are a lot of places that used to be considered temperate but are becoming too hot for human habitation. people of modest income need to have a way to migrate north. it shouldnt be too hard to understand.

      drkimm.bsky.socialBluesky13d ago3▲view on Bluesky ↗
    • It's not that simple, but you get points for trying - it is the atmosphere, 96.5% carbon dioxide and 3.5% nitrogen, plus the atmospheric pressure at the surface, plus the sun science.

      maribean.bsky.socialBluesky13d ago1▲view on Bluesky ↗
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  4. 1

    Bluesky post ties Venus-Mercury heat gap to CO2 and climate change

    @altnoaa.bsky.social posts that Venus is 2.8 times hotter than Mercury despite being farther from the sun because its CO2 atmosphere traps heat, drawing a direct parallel to adding CO2 to Earth's atmosphere.

    “Venus is 2.8 times hotter than Mercury, despite Mercury being closer to the Sun. Why? Venus' atmosphere is primarily CO2, which traps heat. So what happens when we add CO2 to our atmosphere? It traps heat. This shouldn't be that difficult to understand.”
    — altnoaa.bsky.social
    1. first by UA.NEWS, 12d ago · also Live Science

      1 more headline
    • altnoaa.bsky.social

      Venus is 2.8 times hotter than Mercury, despite Mercury being closer to the Sun. Why? Venus' atmosphere is primarily CO2, which traps heat. So what happens when we add CO2 to our atmosphere? It traps heat. This shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

      altnoaa.bsky.socialBluesky13d ago3.1k▲view on Bluesky ↗

What people are saying 16 voices from 1 site · best of 99 · verbatim

Still unanswered
  • Why do people who accept science in every other domain reject it specifically on climate change?