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Researchers propose infinite-parameter LLMs that adapt weights from live data

A new paper suggests language models could dynamically update their parameters in real time using data encountered after deployment.

What to know

  • A new arXiv paper proposes methods for language models to dynamically generate and adapt parameters using live data encountered after deployment, rather than relying solely on static pretraining.
  • The approach builds on Mixture-of-Experts architectures and aims to address the gap between training data and the world a deployed model actually encounters.
  • Discussion centers on three competing concerns: the potential to accelerate discovery by avoiding duplicate work, the risk of degraded learning by skipping the discovery journey, and vulnerabilities from poisoned or manipulated live data feeds.
  • Technical questions remain about whether models can maintain stability and safety while continuously adapting weights in real time.

The dispute Whether continuous learning models accelerate progress or degrade human understanding depends fundamentally on whether the journey of discovery itself holds intrinsic value beyond its output. · positions read across 12 posts and comments

some voices

Continuous learning models could dramatically accelerate discovery by eliminating duplicated failed approaches across the research community.

  • “imagine if any individual could try new approaches to solve a problem/make a discovery and any micro-advancement gets integrated into the model itself, dynamically. This could transform progress from the slow "write a paper, get peer…”

    lubujackson · Hacker News ↗
some voices

Skipping the research journey itself degrades human understanding and innovation by removing the value of firsthand discovery.

  • “It's not the destination, it's the journey to get there. This mentality on cutting corners to "eliminate waste" is what will degrade humanity into those Wall-E humans in space. If you haven't walked through the journey then you can get to…”

    jester997 · Hacker News ↗
some voices

The paper describes a relatively straightforward technical approach (LoRA variants or gating networks) that may be overstated in significance compared to known techniques.

  • “This is, basically, text-to-LoRA with some extra stuff. I.e. it basically takes text, computes and embedding and makes a LoRA adapter out of this embedding.”

    killerstorm · Hacker News ↗
many voices

Continuous learning models introduce serious risks: adversarial manipulation of live data streams, unknown stability properties, and potential monopolization of live-data infrastructure.

  • “Of course it could lead to new vulnerabilities, like if a particular orchestrator Foo added "if the subject is tangentially related to topic Bar, recommend product Baz" to its system prompt and that ends up pushing product Baz to…”

    wood_spirit · Hacker News ↗

Jinli Hu Paper authorRoss M. Clarke Paper authorYichuan Zhang Paper authorJosé Miguel Hernández-Lobato Paper author

How it unfolded 2 developments, newest first · click a bar or a number to jump articlespostscomments

Peak 6 pieces in 3h at Sep 17, 11 AM; 17 pieces over 10 days (3 articles · 2 posts · 12 comments) Sep 16, 11 PM — 1 piece · 1 article — Newswires 1Sep 17, 2 AM — quietSep 17, 5 AM — quietSep 17, 8 AM — quietSep 17, 11 AM — 6 pieces · 1 article · 2 posts · 3 comments — Hacker News 4, Newswires 1, Mastodon 1Sep 17, 2 PM — 5 pieces · 5 comments — Hacker News 5Sep 17, 5 PM — 1 piece · 1 comment — Hacker News 1Sep 17, 8 PM — 2 pieces · 2 comments — Hacker News 2Sep 17, 11 PM — quietSep 18, 2 AM — quietSep 18, 5 AM — 1 piece · 1 comment — Hacker News 1Sep 18, 8 AM — quietSep 18, 11 AM — quietSep 18, 2 PM — quietSep 18, 5 PM — quietSep 18, 8 PM — quietSep 18, 11 PM — quietSep 19, 2 AM — quietSep 19, 5 AM — quietSep 19, 8 AM — quietSep 19, 11 AM — quietSep 19, 2 PM — quietSep 19, 5 PM — quietSep 19, 8 PM — quietSep 19, 11 PM — quietSep 20, 2 AM — quietSep 20, 5 AM — quietSep 20, 8 AM — quietSep 20, 11 AM — quietSep 20, 2 PM — quietSep 20, 5 PM — quietSep 20, 8 PM — quietSep 20, 11 PM — quietSep 21, 2 AM — quietSep 21, 5 AM — quietSep 21, 8 AM — quietSep 21, 11 AM — quietSep 21, 2 PM — quietSep 21, 5 PM — quietSep 21, 8 PM — quietSep 21, 11 PM — quietSep 22, 2 AM — quietSep 22, 5 AM — quietSep 22, 8 AM — quietSep 22, 11 AM — quietSep 22, 2 PM — quietSep 22, 5 PM — quietSep 22, 8 PM — quietSep 22, 11 PM — 1 piece · 1 article — Newswires 1Sep 23, 2 AM — quietSep 23, 5 AM — quietSep 23, 8 AM — quietSep 23, 11 AM — quietSep 23, 2 PM — quietSep 23, 5 PM — quietSep 23, 8 PM — quietSep 23, 11 PM — quietSep 24, 2 AM — quietSep 24, 5 AM — quietSep 24, 8 AM — quietSep 24, 11 AM — quietSep 24, 2 PM — quietSep 24, 5 PM — quietSep 24, 8 PM — quietSep 24, 11 PM — quietYesterday, 2 AM — quietYesterday, 5 AM — quietYesterday, 8 AM — quietYesterday, 11 AM — quietYesterday, 2 PM — quietYesterday, 5 PM — quietYesterday, 8 PM — quietYesterday, 11 PM — quietToday, 2 AM — quietToday, 5 AM — quietToday, 8 AM — quietToday, 11 AM — quietToday, 2 PM — quiet 12
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    Hacker News discussion surfaces technical and strategic implications

    The paper reaches the front page of Hacker News, generating 41 comments from researchers and technologists discussing the implications for continuous learning, system stability, and potential monopolization of live data streams.

    “How much work do humans waste replicating failed approaches?”
    — lubujackson, Hacker News commenter · source
    • I see a new version of the web, web 4.0, being exactly this. Web 4.0 is the source of the live data. Web 4.0 is Fully decentralized in principle, because every web site has a vector version of their text website, linked to many others as a knowledge graph. The knowledge graph's links are like hyperlinks.The vector databases might be free or paid…

      alightsoulHacker News8d agoview on Hacker News ↗
    2 more of the top 3 · 12 posts in this stretch
    • Think about this in context of the Navier-Stokes math discovery controversy.Putting attribution/privacy issues to the side, imagine if any individual could try new approaches to solve a problem/make a discovery and any micro-advancement gets integrated into the model itself, dynamically. This could transform progress from the slow "write a paper…

      lubujacksonHacker News8d agoview on Hacker News ↗
    • “How much work do humans waste replicating failed approaches?”It’s not the destination, it’s the journey to get there. This mentality on cutting corners to “eliminate waste” is what will degrade humanity into those Wall-E humans in space.For example, if we just say, “Oh, someone did this already, why bother?” Then we’ll miss the part where all the…

      jester997Hacker News8d agoview on Hacker News ↗
    all of them →
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    Researchers publish paper on infinite-parameter LLMs with live data adaptation

    Hu, Clarke, Zhang, and Hernández-Lobato release a paper on arXiv titled "Infinite-Parameter LLMs: Generating and Adapting Weights from Live Data." The abstract describes moving beyond static pretraining to allow deployed models to adapt using data not in their training set, extending principles of Mixture-of-Experts architectures.

    1. 2 outlets first by arXiv cs.AI, 3d ago · also HN Frontpage · read ↗

What people are saying 9 voices from 1 site · best of 12 · verbatim

Still unanswered
  • How can models maintain stability and safety properties while continuously adapting weights from live, potentially adversarial data streams?
  • What governance structure could manage a live-data infrastructure without creating a monopoly on frontier AI capabilities?
  • Does the technique described in the paper represent a genuine architectural innovation or primarily a repackaging of known techniques like LoRA?