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Apollo economist: AI has delivered zero financial payoff to non-tech corporations

Study of S&P 493 companies finds flat profit margins and revenue despite massive AI investment.

What to know

  • Apollo economist Torsten Slok's analysis of 493 large non-tech corporations found AI has produced zero measurable financial benefit despite massive investment, with flat profit margins and revenue per worker.
  • Slok argues AI cannot replicate the judgment, accountability, trust, and cultural understanding that drive business success and protect corporate reputation.
  • Some observers suggest the measurement of AI's impact may be incomplete—companies may be automating unmeasured work—though this remains contested.

The dispute Whether the lack of measured financial return reflects AI's actual business failure or inadequate measurement methodologies in how corporate productivity is assessed. · positions read across 25 posts and comments

most voices

AI genuinely has failed to deliver measurable returns in non-tech businesses despite hype and spending.

  • “Despite massive investments and widespread hype around artificial intelligence, the technology has delivered zero financial payoff to corporate America outside of tech.”

    Torsten Slok · TechCrunch ↗
some voices

The productivity gap is partly an artifact of measurement—companies automated work that was never quantified in the first place.

  • “Zero payoff outside tech is what you get when you automate work nobody measured in the first place. The productivity gap is partly a measurement gap.”

    skiml.io · Bluesky ↗

Torsten Slok Chief economist, Apollo Global ManagementApollo Global Management Private equity firm, former TechCrunch owner

Apollo economist: AI has delivered zero financial payoff to non-tech corporations
techcrunch.com

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    Observers suggest measurement gaps may explain productivity gap

    Commentary on the findings proposes that the lack of measured payoff may reflect companies automating work that was never quantified in the first place, framing the issue partly as a measurement problem rather than pure lack of impact.

    “Zero payoff outside tech is what you get when you automate work nobody measured in the first place. The productivity gap is partly a measurement gap.”
    — skiml.io
    • priscgroup.com

      Plot twist: AI has delivered 'zero financial payoff' to most big companies outside tech, says Apollo's chief economist. Flat margins, flat productivity. Hype 1, ROI 0.

      priscgroup.comBluesky8d ago1▲view on Bluesky ↗
    2 more of the top 3 · 25 posts in this stretch
    • This is a complete misrepresentation of what the Apollo piece can actually show, because it's not measuring the "payoff" of AI investments, but only the top level revenue of those companies (https://www.apollo.com/wealth/insights-news/insights/daily-s...).This is a healthy corrective to the most insane AI maximalist takes (mass disemployment in…

      hyperpapeHacker News9d agoview on Hacker News ↗
    • skiml.io

      Zero payoff outside tech is what you get when you automate work nobody measured in the first place. The productivity gap is partly a measurement gap.

      skiml.ioBluesky13d ago1▲view on Bluesky ↗
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  2. background

    Slok argues AI lacks business judgment and understanding of organizational factors — Slok expresses skepticism that non-tech companies can easily convert AI into revenue growth, noting that while AI excels as a calculator, business success depends on judgment and factors AI cannot grasp.

  3. background

    Apollo economist publishes analysis of AI's financial impact on non-tech corporations — Torsten Slok, chief economist at Apollo Global Management, releases findings on the S&P 493 (S&P 500 minus Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, and Tesla), showing that profit margins and revenue per worker appear flat with no evidence that AI is improving productivity.

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  1. first by HN Best, 9d ago · also HN Frontpage

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